. >> guaranteed up front measurable savings scored by sea enacted into law. the only guarantee is when congress enacts policies. >> you would be willing to go for specific things and guarantee that there would be a specific amount of cuts? >> of course, of course. >> but that's next year? >> no, that's not true. we're prepared to do up front alongside a deal that includes raising rates. we are prepared to do a meaningful amount of savings on the spending side. not just to avoid the damage of the sequester, but to help reduce the long-term deficits. >> you want them -- you want them to come forward for the cuts. >> in general we've laid out a detailed plan. we would be happy to look at an alternative plan, but they have to lay that out for us. both on the revenue and rates side. also on the spending side. that's just a reasonable way. we can't sit here and try to figure out what works for them. they have to tell us what works for them. let's go to what's at stake in this context. this is something we can do. i think we're going to get there. there's too much a